November 21, 2024

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False Prophecy

danger of false prophecy

False Prophecy

danger of false prophecy

God’s standards for His prophets are strict. The Bible states if the word a self-proclaimed prophet speaks “does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken” (Deut. 18:22; see also Jer. 14:14; 23:21, 32; 28:15Ezek. 13:6). The punishment for speaking falsely in God’s name was death (Deut. 18:20). Nothing has changed during the New Testament era.

First, we must define our terms with a disclaimer that the precise definitions are of a secondary nature and have been subject to slight variations throughout church history.    What does prophecy mean?  The orthodox definition has been differentiated in the Old and New Testaments. 

Traditionally, in the Old Testament, God spoke through his chosen prophets to warn and admonish the nation of Israel about the consequences of their disobedience, and also gave assurances of the redemption made available through faith in Christ. 

In the New Testament, that kind of prophecy was no longer needed to address Israel, which was now a scattered, indigent nation.  The forewarned judgment had been meted out, and God did not need further revelation to them through human prophets.

In the New Testament, the term was reintroduced, and the Apostles ( a distinct number of men limited by Scripture to those specifically chosen and named in the book of Acts) were given the ability to prophesy much the way the Old Testament prophets did, though much more focused on the gospel message.  After the Apostle age, the canon of Scripture closed, and strong warnings were issued repeatedly to never add to God’s word with false prophesy. (Revelation 22:18-19)

The prophecy gift of the Holy Spirit for the edification of the church, was described as an edifying word for those in immediate proximity, i.e. a church meeting.  It was not to be an authoritative word from God and certainly not a prediction of human events.  See this article by Desiring God for a more in-depth explanation.

There is one book in the New Testament dedicated to prophecy, the book of Revelation, which is so allegorical and symbolic that scholars for centuries have labored to decipher exact details. Any scholar who claims to have discerned any authoritatively and definitively names/dates/modern nations is exceeding orthodox boundaries for interpretation.

Any type of prophecy that attempts to predict human interactions with names and dates is false. This is called divination and it is demonic in nature and forbidden by God (Lev 19:26 Rev 21:8)

Why is this dangerous? Because most false prophets deceive people into thinking they speak for God for wrong motives. They may want popularity, fame, money or attention so they will make up stories or tell of a vision and interpret in a way that suggests they are sure God spoke directly to them. This creates confusion and casts doubt upon the true Word of God. It makes a mockery of God and that never ends well. It leads people away from the true gospel, chasing visions that really don’t have any truth or relevance. Most of the time, one who falsely prophecies is also believing and teaching a false gospel, and the appearance of having a special divine insight or anointing will convince the unlearned and naive that their false gospel doctrine must be true.

Exhibit #1

This video by Chris Roseborough from Fighting for the Faith. In it he contends that the modern charismatic heresies centered on false prophecy and specifically that false prophecy is not a sin, maybe just a mistake. He posits that false prophecy is tantamount to violating Exodus 20:7 “Thou shalt not take the Lord thy God’s name in vain” It is attaching God’s name to a lie.


Exhibit #2

Donnie, from the channel Idiot with a Bible, made this video. He has a friendly and non pretentious skill for explaining theological concepts. He always has contextually sound Biblical teaching.

https://youtu.be/Kgl-YDVdMrM

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False Prophecy

Marcus rogers false prophecies lies receipts
Below are several documented instances of his false prophecy, which is a very serious transgression.

Marcus’ fame took a giant leap this past year when he posted repeatedly how God told him that Trump would win the 2020 election “by a landslide” then, trying to backpedal, delete videos and deny he said that when Trump conceded the loss in January. But that was far from his fisrt false prophecy.

First of all it must be stated that he has repeatedly denied that he is a prophet. The fact that in almost every video he makes a claim about what God “told him” or “showed him” that day doesn’t seem to matter to him.

Below are several documented instances of his false prophecy, which is a very serious transgression.


In 2015, one of his first “viral” videos, was called Drown Myself. In later videos he talks about God telling him to make that video, and put his head into a garbage can full of water and hold his breath as long as he could. He then gave a mini sermon on how you have to want God as bad as you want to breathe.
In recent days, this video by a motivational speaker named Eric Thomas related a very very similar idea, nearly word for word. This video shows the two in comparison


In 2016, we first published this screenshot, a response to being asked if he considered himself a prophet

Here’s another example, in his early Facebook days, he posted that God told him that Lee Stoneking, the national leader of the United Pentecostal Church, was going to bless him with a “mantle” and a “double portion”, which according to their tradition, confer status in the ministry of the church. He posted about Stoneking coming to visit a nearby church. He did get to meet with and pray with Stoneking, but no mantles or double portions were given.

Also in 2016, Marcus posted that God told him to reconcile with his estranged second wife. One year later, he announced that they were divorcing because God told him they were incompatible.

Many of his prophecies are about as clear as this


In November 2016 He traveled to a church in Grenada Mississippi and tried to pass off a fraudulent prophecy

On November 27th, Marcus preached at a church in Mississippi.  He posted 2 clips  and several pictures on Instagram. At this event he appears to meet a woman in the audience and ask her about her famil saying God told him to prophesy about her..

Here are links to the videos:

Video 1 Greeting a “Stranger”           Video 2 Praying for her daughter

This woman has been a very active and extremely passionate follower of his on Facebook for many months prior to this.  She drove hundreds of miles to visit this church and make this appearance. Note: he originally posted these with different captions and updated them after being called out about the fraud, admitting he knew her after all.

The  guise of this being a stranger who God gave him “prophecy” about is nothing short of fraudulent. He met her in August in Houston and has interacted with her many times on Facebook, including previous prayer for the same daughter. She was a  generous supporter of his now defunct Go Fund Me campaign.

In July he prayed for her daughter.

Several followers recognized the woman and immediately pointed this out. Marcus did not respond well.


A Strange Prophecy

article posted June 2021

On January 2, 2019 Marcus published this rather odd prophetic word with his friend Klaus. Alone in the dark in a car in a hotel parking lot, with soft ambient music playing, Marcus, wearing his baseball cap pulled down low, with Klaus looking on, hits record (originally livestreamed)

He begins by excitedly announcing the the Holy Spirit is about to flow through them. He even says “thus saith the Lord”, and that this is a prophetic word.

At 0:55 Marcus says “God wanted to hear what we are about to declare”

He says Klaus didn’t know this was going to happen but “I know my spirit is going to connect with his spirit.”

Then the prophecy begins. He says, in 2019 there will be a shaking in the church and in your (the viewer’s) life. He goes on to describe his prophetic word of “shaking” for 23 more minutes with brief interjections from Klaus. Each of them speaks in tongues while the other is prophesying, but they are not interpreting each other. Klaus mostly seems to be blankly staring and nodding, his prophetic word is basically a repeat of Marcus’ repetitive use of “shaking” and shaking metaphors, with some vague references to mercy near the end.

At 5:23, The phone falls off the dash, Marcus picks it up and drops it again. Klaus tries not to laugh.

At 6:15 Klaus says God has spoken through his prophets that there will be a shaking.

At 9:24 Marcus gets out of the car and points to the sign in front of a hotel and says “All the signs are there” and talks about signs for about 90 seconds.

At 10:50 Marcus gets back in the car. Klaus is babbling loudly and rocking back and forth

13:27 Marcus says “You can’t tell me that God is real” then “God is not real”- likely correcting himself.

14:14 Marcus throws devil horns (hand gesture)- for all you illuminati hunters!!!!**

17:25 Klaus praying for everyone, Marcus waving his hand back and forth

At 22:25 Marcus professes positive confession, that God has given us the ability to speak things into existence. Also known as Word of faith or name it and claim it doctrine.

Any time someone claims to have a prophetic word, discerning believers should ask some basic questions, like these:

Would the Holy Spirit say something as blasphemous as “God is not real”?

Is this the way God expresses Himself?

Does he misspeak and stumble over His words?

Would he disobey His own Word to speak in tongues without an interpreter?

Does God’s word actually support positive confession (word of faith) doctrine?

What are we to think that despite the blasphemous statement, they posted this video anyway?

Does the Bible teach that our spirits connect with each other?

Where in the Bible does it tell us that there will be a shaking?

Does this prophecy line up with Scripture as it is written or does it add new information to the Word of God?

It’s now 2021, did we all get shaken in 2019? Did this prophecy come to pass exactly as it was described?

Hopefully this post has illustrated Marcus’ view of prophesy, as it is a good example of his usual presentation of what he considers his gift of prophecy . Readers of this post are highly encouraged to do their own research into what Biblical prophecy is and is not.

**To be clear, this site does not focus on exposing the illuminati. There are several You Tube channels that do this that have featured Marcus. A symbolic hand gesture was done at the point mentioned, readers may draw their own conclusions.



Trump Election Prophecy


Published Jan 10th 2021


Throughout his ministry, Marcus has almost daily told us that God spoke to him. Most of the time it’s not anything that can’t be learned or discerned from reading a newspaper or googling current events and commentary. But the past few months Marcus has been absolutely consumed with telling us what God has told him about Donald Trump, and very specifically that he will have a second term Even today, January 10th, when Trump has made it clear that his path to legitimizing his election has come to an end and he has asked for a peaceful transition, Marcus has again posted that God is telling him Trump will stay in office. The title is ironic- he is repenting for doubting his earlier prophecy that Trump would be re-elected


Youtube video- I have to repent He deleted this video. In this video, posted days after the election, though Trump lost, Marcus tells his followers he still believed Trump would be serving his second term. More about that here.

Update 1/21/21:

Marcus posted this video on You tube today and admits he was wrong. Comments on this video overwhelmingly state that this was not repentance nor an apology, mostly excuses and blame shifting. “I was wrong” (but it’s not my fault, the election was stolen, etc)
Link to the You Tube video-“I was wrong…” He deleted this video as well. More about that here.


Great video (link here) from Whaddo You Meme?? Check out his channel.

In this video there are multiple false prophets who also gave the same “prophecy” about Donald Trump, and there is a clip where Marcus clearly says God told him Trump would be re-elected. Whaddo You Meme? does a great job explaining why this is such a serious issue.

Furthermore, a month ago Marcus posted this- a promise to take (another) break from social media if he was wrong.


Here he explains why he was certain Trump would win (God told him it would be eight years) He mentions Kim Clement, who prophecied that Trump would win the nomination in 2015. When Marcus says “God showed him” Trump would win in 2015, he says when he saw Kim Clement’s prophecy online, “God told him” that what Clement said would come true.

And this where he says he never said “God told him”

Technically he didn’t say how long his break was going to be, so when he posted this today, he hadn’t been online for a whole 24 hours.

Video about Lady Gaga’s outfit an inauguration


More on the Election Prophecy

About ninety percent of Marcus’ posts are either 1) bold statements on social and political issues  2) Prophecy for other believers in the visible church.  Example: “God told me someone needs to hear this: your romantic relationship doesn’t glorify God,  and you  need to put God first to receive your blessing” This is an example of how the gift of prophesy in the Church age (New Testament) is manifested.  There is little basis for discerning accuracy and that’s ok. It does not contradict Scripture. 3) Prophetical rebukes and  warnings, usually about social and political issues and occasionally about his own life. This is often the function of a prophet in the Old Testament.

Up until the 2020 election, he claimed his prophecies were never wrong. (link to one of many videos with this claim) This is not completely true. 

 First, we must define our terms with a disclaimer that the precise definitions are of a secondary nature and have been subject to slight variations throughout church history.    What does prophecy mean?  The orthodox definition  has been differentiated in the Old and New Testament.  Traditionally, in the Old Testament, God spoke through his chosen prophets to warn and admonish the nation of Israel about the consequences of their disobedience, and also gave assurances of the redemption made available through faith in Christ.  In the New Testament, that kind of prophecy was no longer needed to address Israel, which was now a scattered, indigent nation.  The forewarned judgment had been meted out, and God did not need further revelation to them through human prophets.

In the New Testament, the term was reintroduced,  and the Apostles ( a distinct number of men limited by Scripture to those specifically chosen and named in the book of Acts) were given the ability to prophesy much the way the Old Testament prophets did, though much more focused on the gospel message.  After the Apostle age, the canon of Scripture closed, and strong warnings were issued repeatedly to never add to God’s word with false prophesy. (Revelation 22:18-19) The prophecy gift of the Holy Spirit for the edification of the church, was described as an edifying word for those in immediate proximity, i.e. a church meeting.  It was not to be an authoritative word from God and certainly not a prediction of human events. There is one book in the New Testament dedicated to prophecy, the book of Revelation, which is so allegorical and symbolic that scholars for centuries have labored to decipher exact details. Any scholar who claims to have discerned any authoritatively and definitively names/dates/modern nations is exceeding orthodox boundaries for interpretation.

Marcus’ definition for many of his prophecies,  is far closer to the Old Testament definition, which does not meet the New Testament standard and violates the warnings of adding to God’s word as revealed in Scripture.  God never calls the followers of Christ to be fortune tellers of current events but this is exactly what Marcus does in many of his “prophetic words” Marcus claims to actually hear God speak to him with very specific messages and visions and dreams.  It’s not clear if this is an audible voice or if his feelings and thoughts that he “senses” are actually the voice of God inside his head.  The former would be more akin to the Old Testament prophecy, while the latter is similar to what is described in the New.

Marcus’ definition for many of his prophecies,  is far closer to the Old Testament definition, which does not meet the New Testament standard and violates the warnings of adding to God’s word as revealed in Scripture.  God never calls the followers of Christ to be fortune tellers of current events but this is exactly what Marcus does in many of his “prophetic words” Marcus claims to actually hear God speak to him with very specific messages and visions and dreams.  It’s not clear if this is an audible voice or if his feelings and thoughts that he “senses” are actually the voice of God inside his head.  The former would be more akin to the Old Testament prophecy, while the latter is similar to what is described in the New.

Another issue with his self-proclaimed “spotless” record in his prophecies, especially the ones based on social and political events is that his “prophecies” are vague in nature and nothing outside making an educated guess based on social trends. For example, homosexual rights are a big theme in his prophetic rhetoric.  He has posted numerous videos on this controversial subject. Whenever there is a news story on this issue, he will pounce on it with an “I told you so”.  He “prophesied” the Obergefell decision a few months prior to it, when it was an issue that had already been introduced in lower courts and discussed in the media. So this being the case, there was at least a 50/50 chance it would pass.  Knowing the makeup of the Supreme court and the trends in culture, the odds in favor were higher than not. But when the decision was announced, Marcus made yet another “I told you so because God told me” video.  In a sense, he was right, but many others made similar observations with no direct word from God. Common sense, cultural awareness and discernment suffice for these kinds of predictions.

It is absolutely accurate to call Marcus a false prophet.   In both Old and New Testament standards the benchmark is 100% accuracy. The New Testament definition of prophecy is very gracious because it is limited to personal interactions of exhortation, but still must never supercede or contradict Scripture. The 2020 election debacle is the most flagrant example of his failure to speak accurately for God if we applied the Old Testament standard which would be applicable to future forecasting of historical events. The remarriage/divorce failure is another.  There are more if you look, but rest assured that will be a deliberately difficult effort.  Marcus posts, and deletes, so much content that looking for consistency is a challenge to say the least.  This serves him well.  Nonetheless, here is a partial list of currently available  videos in which he is acting as an Old Testament prophet, forecasting human events.  None of these prophecies fall outside the gray area of human speculation and  discernment, and Scripture prohibits speaking authoritatively about human events. The canon of Scripture has closed. We are not to add to it.

Final note: Oddly, Marcus states in several videos,  (link to one of them) that he does not claim the title of prophet.  But you will note, that a large number of videos specifically mention “prophesy” in the title.  Furthermore, in a least one video he does claim to be a prophet. There is also this facebook post. It does not say “I am a prophet” but read it and judge if the functional analysis of what he says is essentially the equivalent.

Marcus Rogers’ failed prophecies about the 2020 election.

Consistent with his past failures, Marcus has removed most of his Trump prophecy videos (per You Tube, removed by uploader)

Videos with receipts about Trump Election

The best videos containing all the clips of Marcus failed prophecy and subsequent cover up. This is from a now deleted channel called Dying to Live

  • Ruslan KD, a channel with a large Christian audience, did an extensive interview panel with Rogers to explain his prophecy debacle. He was repeatedly called out for inaccuracies.

    He also posted this about the same time as the deleted apology video. Here he denies ever saying “God told him”

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Caught Prophe-lying!

In this video, Marcus tells Allen Parr that God told him that Allen Parr had never spoken in tongues. Allen says he is wrong, he has spoken in tongues before but no longer does, and Parr attempts to point this out while Marcus tries to turn the tables by accusing Parr of deceiving him in a text message.